Comments on: 1983: the biggest myth in Labour Party history https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/ Sat, 14 Oct 2023 21:18:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Richard Thompson https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/#comment-296082 Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:47:26 +0000 https://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=16799#comment-296082 There is a very good article in the October Le Monde Diplomatique by Alex Nunns, a good preparation for a weekend conference at La Maison Quaker de Congenies tomorrow. In the same edition a radical look at the obstacles against change ahead, stating that the greatest is the media.

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By: TERRY MCCARTHY https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/#comment-296058 Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:20:41 +0000 https://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=16799#comment-296058 I agree with the analysis but it has to be said Michael Foot never really wanted to be leader and was often persuaded against his better judgement to do contradictory things. He was part of the campaign to persuade the Labour movement to pass legislation decriminalising homosexuality but viciously attacked Peter Tatchell when he stood in Bermondsey. And of course he never had a John McDonald figure helping him with a clear economic programme, nor did he have the same organisation. As Jeremy Corbyn
Jeremy is a much stronger person then Michael, who was more academic than political

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By: Noomi Spook https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/#comment-295655 Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:11:08 +0000 https://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=16799#comment-295655 I am a film maker. I was so sickened by the Tories terrible propaganda video against Corbyn, I made this as a response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5iKgkkb218

Please feel free to share this video if you want to even it out. Let’s turn the tide.

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By: Rob B https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/#comment-295584 Sat, 12 Sep 2015 08:20:46 +0000 https://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=16799#comment-295584 Those who weren’t around during the Falklands War need to understand what the climate was like in 1982. As we ramped up towards war – the task force gathering, the media stirring up patriotic passions – it become almost impossible to voice dissent. Who could oppose taking action against the military dictator who had invaded British soil? The sinking of the Belgrano, with the loss of hundreds of lives, was greeted by The Sun headline “Gotcha”.
Trying to compare this with more recent wars and military interventions is just not credible.

The rest of the argument reinforces the adage that a party doesn’t win an election, the other party loses it.

And that a bad, shambolic campaign can have as much of an impact on your chances of winning as any manifesto or particular policies.

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By: swordfish https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/#comment-295576 Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:38:32 +0000 https://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=16799#comment-295576 A Sykes

Just click on the link Alex provides (via “Opinion Polls” highlighted in bold in the main text of the post), and judge for yourself.

Or click on these 2 links:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/images/1983graph.jpg

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/margaret-thatcher-poll-rating-trends-130409032123-phpapp02/95/margaret-thatcher-poll-rating-trends-4-638.jpg?cb=1365653160

Labour remained ahead of the Tories until the outbreak of the Falklands conflict, at which point the Conservatives skyrocket.

Clearly, the Labour Right split – Limehouse Declaration and subsequent formation of the SDP and alliance with the Liberals – had a major impact on Labour’s fortunes. But that’s also true of the Tories, too. Both plunged in the polls as a result of the SDP rise, both then revived slightly, before the Falklands War transformed everything in the most dramatic way possible.

Look at the evidence right in front of your eyes, rather than indulging in the same old dreary “Lefties are Deluded” rhetorical strategies.

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By: Tim Mann https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/#comment-295573 Fri, 11 Sep 2015 20:21:53 +0000 https://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=16799#comment-295573 Superb. Should be put through the letter box of every house in the country.

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By: A Sykes https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/#comment-295572 Fri, 11 Sep 2015 17:06:24 +0000 https://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=16799#comment-295572 I agree the Falklands war was small scale compared to (ww2) , it validates my point . Labpur won over Churchill’s conservative govt after the massive victory over nazis , but somehow the British elelectorate voted in Thatcher because of just the Falklands ? The left of the party are deluded .

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By: swordfish https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/#comment-295571 Fri, 11 Sep 2015 15:17:45 +0000 https://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=16799#comment-295571 Yep, over the last few weeks we’ve been having an intense debate on New Zealand’s left-leaning blogosphere about Jeremy Corbyn and the future direction and electoral strategy of the British Labour Party (and, by implication, other social democratic parties in parliamentary democracies). Labour lefties like me (and a few others) vs those dutifully parroting the ‘end is nigh’ hysteria associated with that endless series of shell-shocked Blairite Grandees gruesomely paraded before the British public over the last 2 months by a complicit media.

I made very much the same points as you in regard to both the 83 election loss (so obvious from the poll data, as you say) and the patent lack of electoral success for well over a decade after the inception of the Party’s modernizing Right Turn under Kinnock. (One of the ways apologists for Labour’s Right try and get around the defeats of 87 and 92 is to argue that: “Well, yes, but the Left were still trying to influence Party policy, so that continued to scare the voters”. It’s pretty weak and desperate stuff)

The Corbynite revitalisation currently sweeping through Britain is exciting for the Left everywhere.

But we should expect a tsunami of smears, abuse and ridicule from the British MSM if Corbyn wins. Far worse than the contrived hysteria of recent weeks. I never underestimate the media’s ability to influence public opinion but I’m still hoping for a significant backlash against the MSM, not only from Labour voters but also the more progressive slice of the wider British public.

And well-argued, well-researched, myth-busting posts like this are vital.

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By: Dave Harrison https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/#comment-295569 Fri, 11 Sep 2015 09:25:39 +0000 https://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=16799#comment-295569 Two massively different wars.

1939 to 1945 was total war, fought by every individual who had to go through it. The Falklands War was an 8000 mile sea journey to reach the enemy, fought completly on the British side by military professionals.

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By: A Sykes https://www.redpepper.org.uk/political-parties-and-ideologies/labour-party/1983-the-biggest-myth-in-labour-party-history/#comment-295565 Thu, 10 Sep 2015 23:24:50 +0000 https://www.redpepper.org.uk/?p=16799#comment-295565 Labour won the 1945 election right after Tory PM Winston Churchill lead the country to victory in WW2 over the Nazis. So that didn’t matter , but the Falklands could alter a whole general election and propel Thatcher to victory when WW2 couldn’t do it for Churchill ?
The loony left clutching at straws through red tinted spectacles :(
“Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them “

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